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Revealing The Influences Shaping Paul’s Theology: Hellenistic and Enochian Judaism, Qumran’s Pesher Method, Platonic Philosophy, and Gnostic Influences

The complex network of influences shaping Paul’s theology and its pivotal role in shaping early Christian thought can be unraveled by examining the dynamic interplay between Hellenistic Enochian Judaism, the distinctive Pesher teaching of the Qumran community, and the impact of Gnostic and Platonic ideas, as exemplified by writers like Philo. This exploration delves into the profound impact of these diverse influences on different aspects of Paul’s writings, revealing their significant role in the formulation of early Christian beliefs that diverged from the established norms of Judaism during that period, thereby giving rise to an entirely distinct ideology.

Eventually Rabbinic Judaism emerged as a dominant form of Jewish religious expression, with its roots extending back to the Babylonian exile, where the Jewish community faced the challenge of maintaining their faith in a foreign land. The Maccabean period witnessed a struggle for religious freedom and autonomy, setting the stage for the development of Jewish identity. During the first and second centuries CE, following the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Rabbinic Judaism gained prominence as a response to the changing socio-political landscape. The Jewish sages, or rabbis, played a crucial role in preserving and interpreting Jewish tradition, codifying oral law into written form in texts such as the Mishnah. This period marked a shift from temple-centric practices to a more decentralized and synagogue-based worship, with an emphasis on study, interpretation, and the evolving role of the rabbinic authority in guiding Jewish life and practice.

The formation of Rabbinic Judaism was characterized by a zealous commitment to the Torah and the preservation of Jewish traditions amidst challenging historical circumstances. The rabbis, emerging as influential figures, emphasized the study and meticulous observance of the Torah, fostering a strong sense of Jewish identity and continuity. In contrast, Hellenistic (Enochian) Judaism during the same period displayed a tendency to assimilate with Greco-Roman culture. Influenced by the Hellenistic environment, some Jewish communities embraced aspects of Greek philosophy, language, and customs, seeking a harmonious coexistence with the dominant Hellenistic culture. This assimilative approach often led to a blending of Jewish and Hellenistic elements, challenging the traditional boundaries of Jewish identity and practice. The dichotomy between the zealous adherence to Torah in Rabbinic Judaism and the inclination towards cultural assimilation in Hellenistic (Enochian) Judaism highlights the diverse responses of Jewish communities to the cultural forces shaping their respective environments.

The rise of Hellenistic Judaism shares striking parallels with the emergence of Pauline Christianity, with both movements navigating the cultural crossroads of Hellenistic influence. The fusion of Jewish traditions with Greek philosophy, exemplified by figures like Philo and Josephus, may have played a formative role in shaping Paul’s divergent views. Influenced by Hellenistic ideas, both Hellenistic Judaism and Pauline Christianity exhibited a willingness to engage with broader philosophical concepts, integrating them into their theological frameworks. Paul’s mission to draw Gentiles away from Rabbinic Judaism towards a more Hellenistic perspective aligns with the inclination of Hellenistic Judaism to bridge the gap between Jewish and Greek thought. The cultural syncretism evident in Hellenistic Judaism, coupled with Paul’s own Hellenistic background, likely contributed to the development of a Christianity that resonated with a broader, more diverse audience beyond traditional Jewish circles.

The Qumran community, renowned for the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, employed the Pesher method of scriptural interpretation. This method involved allegorical and prophetic interpretations of biblical texts. Paul’s frequent use of allegorical interpretations and his interweaving of passages from the Tanakh to support his theological arguments align with the Qumran community’s Pesher approach yet diverges greatly into hellenstic thought and away from the normative Judaism of the time.

Hellenistic Enochian Judaism, influenced by Greek philosophy during the Hellenistic period, left an indelible mark on Paul’s writings. Concepts like dualism, the role of Metatron, the Memra (Logos), and Neoplatonism found their way into Paul’s beliefs and theological framework, creating a distinct divergence from normative Jewish thought of that time period.

The extent of influence on Paul from these sources is a subject of debate. Paul’s writings exhibit references to traditional Jewish concepts, such as the Law, the Messiah, and the resurrection of the dead. However, his discussions on cosmic dualism and the introduction of the term “Logos” suggest a fusion of influences from Hellenistic or Enochian Judaism, borrowing from the Memra tradition found in some Targum and Apocryphal texts, thus diverging from the normative Judaism of his time.

Advocates for significant influences highlight parallels between Paul’s writings and ideas from Hellenistic (Enochian) Judaism and Qumran’s Pesher texts. Instances like Paul’s use of the figure of Adam in Romans 5 mirroring Hellenistic (Enochian) Judaism’s use of Enoch underscore these connections. Similarly, his allegorical interpretation in Galatians 4 aligns with Qumran’s Pesher method.

Esteemed scholars like John J. Collins, James H. Charlesworth, and George W.E. Nickelsburg offer insights into Paul’s potential influences. Collins suggests connections between Paul’s theology and Enochic literature, particularly noting the resemblance between Colossians 1:15-19 and Enochic descriptions of Metatron. Charlesworth explores Paul’s potential indebtedness to Enochic literature in terms of resurrection concepts. Nickelsburg associates Paul’s ideas in Romans 8:29 and Philippians 2:6-11 with the Enochic Book of Parables.

Elaine Pagels, an advocate for the influence of Gnostic ideas, suggests that Paul’s concept of the devil might find its roots in Gnostic dualism. Furthermore, the introduction of the concepts of Metatron and Memra (Logos) played a crucial role in shaping Paul’s teachings regarding the Jesus figure he claimed to have encountered. This departure from the beliefs of those who had direct interactions with the historical Jesus, such as James (the brother of Jesus), and Simon (another brother), who the Ebionites considere there leaders, is notable. These individuals perceived Jesus as a mere human, born through a conventional physical relationship between Mary and Joseph. According to their beliefs, Jesus lacked divinity, did not experience resurrection, held no power to save individuals, and was simply a prophet advocating for the cessation of temple sacrifices. Additionally, they viewed him as a would-be king whose aspirations were cut short, with James, his brother, assuming a successor role and Simon after him. These perspectives align more closely with the norms of Judaism during that period, sharply contrasting with Paul’s divergence into a distinctly Hellenistic framework.

Paul’s concept of the Logos, the divine Word (Memra) or Wisdom (Sofia), reflects a fusion of Hellenistic Judaism and Greek philosophy. While the Memra in Hellenistic Enochian Judaism influenced Paul’s Logos concept, the Jewish tradition viewed Memra merely as a way of denoting when the Lord spoke through a prophet, in Platonic thought this diverged into distinct pre-existent, divine being. The Memra of Jewish tradtion wasn’t seen as a seperate person but as a way to guard the name of God, much the way many Jews use the term “HaShem”, meaning the name, to guard the divine name from vein use.

The concepts of the Divine Council and Two Powers in Heaven found in some Apocryphal Jewish texts within the Hellenistic (Enochian) Judaism, a divergent branch of Judaism that was discarded by the time of the formation of Rabbinic Judaism, these ideas provided a framework for Paul’s references to cosmic powers, principalities, and rulers in the spiritual realms, contributing to his view of Jesus as exalted and a mediator between God and humanity.

While the extent of Paul’s direct adoption of Qumran’s Pesher interpretation is debatable, scholars like Michael A. Knibb argue that Paul’s use of allegory aligns with Qumran’s Pesher method. Paul’s pesher-like interpretations of the Hebrew Bible, evident in his letters, suggest a that his approach to scriptural interpretation diverged from the normative Judaism of his contemporary Rabbis, as he diverged greatly from the likes of Hillel and Shammai, and other Rabbi’s who formed the thought of the period of time that he existed in.

The multifaceted influences of Hellenistic (Enochian) Judaism, Qumran’s Pesher teaching, and Platonic thought on the development of Paul’s theology are undeniable. Paul’s divergence from the normative Judaism of his time, guided by these influences, played a pivotal role in shaping early Christian beliefs and doctrines. His theology, imprinted with diverse sources, became a dominant force in early Christianity, eventually solidifying through the influence of the Roman Empire under figures like Constantine.



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The Pulling the Threads Podcast’s primary objective is to study and analyze Jesus within his Jewish context through the lens of Judaism before Christianity. Our primary objective is to study and analyze Jesus within his Jewish context, specifically from a pre-Christianity perspective. Seeking a Jewish Reclamation of Jesus, relying on Jewish and secular biblical scholars who specialize in Second Temple Judaism, the Qumran community, the Parting of Ways around 90 CE, the Historical Jesus, and Textual Criticism. Some notable scholars mentioned include Geza Vermes, Hyam Maccoby, Alan Segal, Carol Harris-Shapiro, Lawrence Kushner, Samuel Sandmel, Bart Ehrman, James Tabor, Robert Eisenman, Paula Frederiksen, and Hugh Schonfield.

The site aims to approach the New Testament using the historical-critical method and textual criticism within the realm of secular Jewish scholarship, reflecting the perspectives of mainstream Judaism today. Engaging in scholarly and polemical discussions, the group seeks to question and challenge established Christian doctrines. The main goal is to establish an independent Jewish understanding of Jesus, emphasizing his significance within a Jewish context and distancing him from centuries of Christian interpretations. Furthermore, the group aims to conduct a comprehensive historical examination of Jesus, employing textual criticism to counter Christianity’s claims regarding the New Testament. The focus is on understanding Jesus within Judaism based on the Torah and Talmud.

This is about Jewish and Secular Scholarship into the New Testament using the Historical Critical method and Textual Criticism within Jewish scholarship. For us Jews, the Tanakh and Talmud inform our view of scripture. In the modern age, as Jews, we struggle with texts with an academic approach. The site is pro-Tanakh and will explore history, archaeology, and textual criticism to comprehend the development of the Jesus movement before the parting of ways with Judaism. It aims to emphasize that Jesus and his followers were seen as Jewish and part of Judaism, and that the conversion of Gentiles to Judaism by the community of James and Peter continued, with some Jewish followers remaining distinctly Jewish for centuries. It is important to note that this is not a study of Jewish-Christians, but rather an examination of Jews who followed Jesus within Judaism before the emergence of Christianity. Anti-Judaism is not welcome in this group, which focuses on Jewish perspectives within an academic framework.

This is an attempt to work out the Jewish Reclamation of Jesus, trying to understand him within Judaism before Christianity existed. The group’s objective is to understand Jesus within Judaism before the influence of Christian perspectives during the historical Jesus movement. It seeks to reclaim Jesus within Judaism, separate from Christianity, Messianic, or Hebrew Roots movements. The study incorporates textual criticism, historical Jesus research, and Jewish scholarship into the New Testament to assert the following beliefs:

  • The New Testament lacks historical accuracy.
  • The New Testament is not divinely inspired.
  • The New Testament has not been divinely preserved.
  • The New Testament was written by individuals decades and even millennia after the events it portrays.
  • Original autographs of the New Testament do not exist.
  • Consequently, the New Testament is not the most reliable source for understanding the historical Jesus as a Jewish figure.
  • To ascertain historical accuracy, we rely on modern Jewish and secular scholarship and engage in historical reconstruction.
  • Through textual criticism, we strive to identify the potentially most authentic sayings of Jesus, following the Q hypothesis in relation to the synoptic gospels.
  • The New Testament bears the influence of Roman culture and language, making it a non-Jewish text with glimpses of Jewish source material.
  • Greco-Roman influences, including Hellenistic, Stoic, Gnostic, and paganistic elements (e.g., Zoroastrianism) and the Roman imperial cult, have shaped New Testament ideas of salvation and hell in a manner contrary to Jewish tradition, resulting in a narrative distinct from the Jewish religion.
  • Both Jewish and secular scholarship acknowledge approximately 500,000 textual errors among the 5,800 New Testament manuscripts. These variations include theological revisions that were added by later editors and were not believed by the original followers.
  • The seven most authentic epistles of Paul were written prior to the gospels, with the gospels reflecting the addition of Pauline theology.
  • Jesus might have been an actual person, with the only point of agreement among Jewish scholars being that he was baptized by John for the repentance of sins and was crucified.
  • Jewish scholars concur that Jesus was not born of a virgin, was not resurrected, is not a savior, may be considered a false prophet, and failed as the Messiah.
  • Judaism represents the religion of Jesus, while Christianity is a religion centered around Jesus.
  • The term “Jewish-Christian,” used to describe the early understanding of Jesus in Judaism, is a misnomer.

Understanding Jesus within Judaism can aid us in grappling with a culture in which Christianity has altered the Jewish message. Given the history of crusades, pogroms, the Holocaust, and inquisitions that have harmed the Jewish people, recognizing Jesus within a Jewish context becomes crucial.

The Catholic Church, in Nostra Aetate, ceased evangelizing Jews and acknowledged them as a covenant people within Judaism. In response, Jewish scholars released Dibre Emet, recognizing the place of Righteous Gentiles, including the offspring of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, in Olam HaBa (the world to come). While agreement may not be necessary, it is important to foster understanding and coexistence.

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