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Was Paul’s Initial Message About Jesus Rooted in Gnosticism, with Influences from Jewish Mysticism and the Essenes at Qumran?

Paul’s connections to mysticism are a subject of intrigue and speculation among scholars. One notable aspect of Paul’s life is his “three years in the desert,” which bears similarities to Josephus’ account of his three years of study with the Essenes. This parallel has led some to explore the potential influence of Essene teachings on Paul’s mystical experiences and beliefs.

Jewish mysticism, characterized by its exploration of mystical experiences, divine revelation, and esoteric knowledge, played a significant role in the religious landscape of Paul’s time. The concept of the Logos or Memra, a divine intermediary between God and creation, was a central component of Jewish mystical thought. It merged Jewish monotheism with Hellenistic philosophical ideas, particularly those influenced by Stoicism and Philo of Alexandria. These concepts likely had an impact on Paul’s theological framework.

One scholar who has argued this is John Dominic Crossan. Crossan is a professor of religious studies at DePaul University, and he has written extensively on the origins of Christianity. In his book The Birth of Christianity, Crossan argues that Paul was influenced by Jewish mysticism, and that this influence led to the development of early Christian Gnosticism. Crossan points to Paul’s description of his experience on the road to Damascus as evidence of his mystical experience. He also argues that Paul’s use of the term “Logos” to refer to Jesus Christ is evidence of his familiarity with Jewish mystical traditions.

Furthermore, Gnosticism, a diverse set of religious and philosophical movements that emerged during the Hellenistic period, shares several commonalities with Jewish mysticism. Both traditions sought spiritual enlightenment, emphasized the acquisition of secret knowledge (gnosis), and perceived the material world as flawed or illusory. The Essenes at Qumran, known for their ascetic lifestyle and esoteric teachings, also exhibited resemblances to Gnostic thought.

One of the most prominent scholars who has argued this is Elaine Pagels. In her book The Gnostic Gospels, Pagels argues that Paul was influenced by the Jewish mystical tradition of Merkabah mysticism, which involved visions of the divine chariot. She also argues that Paul’s 3 years in the desert were likely spent studying with a Jewish mystic, and that this experience led him to develop his own unique theological ideas. Morton Smith was a scholar of early Christianity who argued that Paul was influenced by the Essenes, a Jewish sect that lived in Qumran. Smith also argued that Paul’s use of the term “Son of Man” is derived from the Essene tradition.

Another scholar who has argued for the influence of Jewish mysticism on Paul is Michael Peppard. Peppard is a professor of New Testament studies at Fordham University, and he has written extensively on the theology of Paul. In his book The Son of God in the Fourth Gospel, Peppard argues that Paul was influenced by the Jewish mystical tradition of Merkabah mysticism. He points to Paul’s description of his experience of being “caught up to the third heaven” as evidence of his familiarity with Merkabah mysticism. Peppard also argues that Paul’s use of the term “Christ” to refer to Jesus Christ is evidence of his familiarity with Merkabah mysticism.

Another scholar who has argued for the influence of Jewish mysticism on Paul is John Gager. In his book Paul and Philo of Alexandria, Gager argues that Paul was influenced by the Jewish philosopher Philo, who developed a sophisticated theory of the Logos. Gager argues that Paul adopted Philo’s idea of the Logos, and that this led him to develop his own unique understanding of Jesus Christ. Michael Heiser is a scholar of the Hebrew Bible and a former pastor. He has written extensively on the possible influences of Jewish mysticism on Paul, and he has argued that these influences are more significant than many scholars have acknowledged.

Another scholar who has argued this is Michael Pearson. Pearson is a professor of religious studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara. He has written extensively on Gnosticism, and he has argued that Paul’s views on the nature of Christ were influenced by his knowledge of Gnosticism. Pearson has also argued that Paul’s views on the relationship between the Old Testament and the New Testament were influenced by his knowledge of Jewish mysticism.

When these various influences—Jewish mysticism, Hellenistic Jewish ideas, and potential Essene teachings—converged, they created fertile ground for the development of early Christian Gnosticism. The blending of mystical experiences, esoteric knowledge, and philosophical concepts from different traditions contributed to the formation of a distinct Gnostic interpretation of Christianity. John Dominic Crossan is a scholar of early Christianity who has argued that Paul was influenced by the Hellenistic mystery religions. Crossan argues that Paul’s concept of the “body of Christ” is derived from the mystery religions, and that this concept helped to shape his understanding of salvation.

These diverse influences, including Jewish mysticism, Hellenistic Jewish ideas, and potential Essene teachings, converged to create fertile ground for the development of early Christian Gnosticism. The amalgamation of mystical experiences, esoteric knowledge, and philosophical concepts from various traditions contributed to the formation of a distinct Gnostic interpretation of Christianity. For example, Paul’s use of the term “Son of Man” is likely derived from the Hellenistic Jewish tradition, and John Dominic Crossan also suggests that his concept of the “body of Christ” is also likely influenced by Hellenistic mystery religions.



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The Pulling the Threads Podcast’s primary objective is to study and analyze Jesus within his Jewish context through the lens of Judaism before Christianity. Our primary objective is to study and analyze Jesus within his Jewish context, specifically from a pre-Christianity perspective. Seeking a Jewish Reclamation of Jesus, relying on Jewish and secular biblical scholars who specialize in Second Temple Judaism, the Qumran community, the Parting of Ways around 90 CE, the Historical Jesus, and Textual Criticism. Some notable scholars mentioned include Geza Vermes, Hyam Maccoby, Alan Segal, Carol Harris-Shapiro, Lawrence Kushner, Samuel Sandmel, Bart Ehrman, James Tabor, Robert Eisenman, Paula Frederiksen, and Hugh Schonfield.

The site aims to approach the New Testament using the historical-critical method and textual criticism within the realm of secular Jewish scholarship, reflecting the perspectives of mainstream Judaism today. Engaging in scholarly and polemical discussions, the group seeks to question and challenge established Christian doctrines. The main goal is to establish an independent Jewish understanding of Jesus, emphasizing his significance within a Jewish context and distancing him from centuries of Christian interpretations. Furthermore, the group aims to conduct a comprehensive historical examination of Jesus, employing textual criticism to counter Christianity’s claims regarding the New Testament. The focus is on understanding Jesus within Judaism based on the Torah and Talmud.

This is about Jewish and Secular Scholarship into the New Testament using the Historical Critical method and Textual Criticism within Jewish scholarship. For us Jews, the Tanakh and Talmud inform our view of scripture. In the modern age, as Jews, we struggle with texts with an academic approach. The site is pro-Tanakh and will explore history, archaeology, and textual criticism to comprehend the development of the Jesus movement before the parting of ways with Judaism. It aims to emphasize that Jesus and his followers were seen as Jewish and part of Judaism, and that the conversion of Gentiles to Judaism by the community of James and Peter continued, with some Jewish followers remaining distinctly Jewish for centuries. It is important to note that this is not a study of Jewish-Christians, but rather an examination of Jews who followed Jesus within Judaism before the emergence of Christianity. Anti-Judaism is not welcome in this group, which focuses on Jewish perspectives within an academic framework.

This is an attempt to work out the Jewish Reclamation of Jesus, trying to understand him within Judaism before Christianity existed. The group’s objective is to understand Jesus within Judaism before the influence of Christian perspectives during the historical Jesus movement. It seeks to reclaim Jesus within Judaism, separate from Christianity, Messianic, or Hebrew Roots movements. The study incorporates textual criticism, historical Jesus research, and Jewish scholarship into the New Testament to assert the following beliefs:

  • The New Testament lacks historical accuracy.
  • The New Testament is not divinely inspired.
  • The New Testament has not been divinely preserved.
  • The New Testament was written by individuals decades and even millennia after the events it portrays.
  • Original autographs of the New Testament do not exist.
  • Consequently, the New Testament is not the most reliable source for understanding the historical Jesus as a Jewish figure.
  • To ascertain historical accuracy, we rely on modern Jewish and secular scholarship and engage in historical reconstruction.
  • Through textual criticism, we strive to identify the potentially most authentic sayings of Jesus, following the Q hypothesis in relation to the synoptic gospels.
  • The New Testament bears the influence of Roman culture and language, making it a non-Jewish text with glimpses of Jewish source material.
  • Greco-Roman influences, including Hellenistic, Stoic, Gnostic, and paganistic elements (e.g., Zoroastrianism) and the Roman imperial cult, have shaped New Testament ideas of salvation and hell in a manner contrary to Jewish tradition, resulting in a narrative distinct from the Jewish religion.
  • Both Jewish and secular scholarship acknowledge approximately 500,000 textual errors among the 5,800 New Testament manuscripts. These variations include theological revisions that were added by later editors and were not believed by the original followers.
  • The seven most authentic epistles of Paul were written prior to the gospels, with the gospels reflecting the addition of Pauline theology.
  • Jesus might have been an actual person, with the only point of agreement among Jewish scholars being that he was baptized by John for the repentance of sins and was crucified.
  • Jewish scholars concur that Jesus was not born of a virgin, was not resurrected, is not a savior, may be considered a false prophet, and failed as the Messiah.
  • Judaism represents the religion of Jesus, while Christianity is a religion centered around Jesus.
  • The term “Jewish-Christian,” used to describe the early understanding of Jesus in Judaism, is a misnomer.

Understanding Jesus within Judaism can aid us in grappling with a culture in which Christianity has altered the Jewish message. Given the history of crusades, pogroms, the Holocaust, and inquisitions that have harmed the Jewish people, recognizing Jesus within a Jewish context becomes crucial.

The Catholic Church, in Nostra Aetate, ceased evangelizing Jews and acknowledged them as a covenant people within Judaism. In response, Jewish scholars released Dibre Emet, recognizing the place of Righteous Gentiles, including the offspring of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, in Olam HaBa (the world to come). While agreement may not be necessary, it is important to foster understanding and coexistence.

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